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December 11th, 2018, 1:50 am

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What are you talking about Darkrai?

What unbridgeable gap is there? Jen has had the time of her life going on adventures with you, Mewtwo, and the gang. If she turned back, she wouldn't be able to ever visit Lopunny or the lot again.

posted by Guest on December 11th, 2018, 1:56 am



posted by Guest on December 11th, 2018, 1:56 am


Oh... gengar is a ghost and therefore wouldn't die of old age, which is how he had the time to find peace with his form, but Jen wouldn't have enough time for that since she is just a normal type

posted by Guest on December 11th, 2018, 2:08 am


Excuse you Darkrai. If you paid attention to your own history, you would know that humans actually used to be Pokemon. A human getting used to being a Pokemon would not be outrageous. What's more is humans and Pokemon already live in harmony. In the Mystery Dungeon world, humans and Pokemon aren't terribly different either. What's more is humans would love to have even a shred of the power Pokemon have. Let her enjoy being something that won't die if it's hit by Rock Wrecker like a flimsy human would.

posted by ?? (Guest) on December 11th, 2018, 2:15 am


I think I know what he is talking about. That inborn scence of otherness that stands between those who are different and the rest of the world that gap we all fight to bridge and make connections the harsh difficulty of maintaining them. The simple exhaustion of fighting scenes turned up to high or low every day. Oh yes Darkrai knows what he is talking about.

At the same time considering the jerk-o-lantern is her sister and her brother is in prison I don't want to think of what kind of life made them and put that core of steel in an otherwise kind child like Jen.

posted by Kattra on December 11th, 2018, 2:55 am


Something tells me that Jen has a bit of self loathing going on due to her sister. Does she feel that staying as a pokemon for the rest of her life is the same thing as atoning for the sins of her sister?

Jen, girl, Darkrai knows those feels, much as everyone here will just go lalalala, can't here you lalala, and pretend it didn't happen, Darkrai did almost succeed in plunging the world into everlasting darkness, while causing time to come crashing down around everyone. Even if the cause of all that wasn't his fault, it was still physically caused by him. If anything Jen, you're the only blameless person in this entire group of misfits. stop beating yourself up, or so help them, this table just might turn into a 2v1 double battle where the only valid move-pool is hug, hug, hug, and encore! That way, even after everyone thought the hugging was supposed to end, it would just keep on happening until everyone used up all their pp until all 3 of you erupted into a struggling slap fight. Deal with it Jen, nobody is leaving this table until the power of friendship wins you over!

posted by Guest on December 11th, 2018, 2:56 am


Her brother is in prison? For what?

Lovrina is a sociopath. She was born without a conscience.

Do you really think Pokemon wouldn't except her just on the grounds of her being a former human?

posted by Guest on December 11th, 2018, 2:59 am

@ Guest

Her brother and sister were in the same organization it said so back when Wes and N. Where looking for her.

An mentioned him being in prison if I remember right.

Found it Mewtwo's Arrival. It seams I was mixing Dr. Krane and someone named Blake Hill and thinking they where Jen and the jerk-o-lantern's brother pardon my mistake. I usually hold on to details better than this.

Tho I do remember Jen saying there brother worked for the same company so maybe that is why....

posted by Kattra on December 11th, 2018, 3:39 am


@Kattra :

Lovrina's info can be found here:

Anyways the last anyone has heard of Naps is when he is ran off after being defeated by Michael in XD: Gale of Darkness. Whatever happened to him is unknown.

He could be in hiding trying to avoid the Orre authorities, he could have been caught and jailed somewhere, he could have went home, or anything really.

posted by Ngamer01 on December 11th, 2018, 6:17 am


Well, if she's an abused little "family property" I'd rather let her be a pokemon.

posted by ILeninVelikyNamPutOzaril on December 11th, 2018, 6:17 am


Darkrai. With nails.


posted by IcyLucario on December 11th, 2018, 6:30 am


Is it possible for Mewtwo to take Jen past the sky thing so that she can switch between human and Pokemon? (Probably not but a thought)

posted by Julian (Guest) on December 11th, 2018, 8:57 am


This raises some... troubling questions about the protagonists of the previous PMD games.

What Darkrai's describing sounds an awful lot like dysphoria. That's a special kind of hell, feeling out of place and stuck in an unfamiliar body, and Darkrai's right to warn Jen away from it... but what about the player characters? They were dragged into this same fate by literal gods and didn't get this choice. If what he's saying is correct, they aren't leading happy lives - not by a long shot.

posted by Malc Modnar on December 11th, 2018, 10:09 am

  Of dysphoria.

Again I think Darkrai has a good idea, but is looking at things from the worst possible perspective.

Some people might be offput by being in a different body, it's make sense. Others can go 'well I miss my old body..but this is the way things are now, I'll get used to it'. Heck I have my own form of dysphoria, while I havn't learned to love my body I'm no long as put off by it as I used to be, and generally I live a pretty good life even if I feel that I'm in a completely wrong body.

Still others can not prefer their new form, but they also won't miss their old form, similar to above but they don't long for their old body.

Others can be glad of the change.

Gengar had thousands of years to come to terms with a body that he was PUNISHED with. I think that's a strong part there, Gengars body was a punishment.

Jen? No signs Darkrai even chose a form for her, merely brought her over. She likely has a body fitting her personality.

She wasn't much for her family, well not for her sister, I don't remember much mention of her mom and dad.

But she has many pokemon friends and family. While I could see her, perhaps, being happy being human again, if some of her friends came with her. Heck perhaps is Wes and N both came back, and one of them took over raising her.

But given an audino has a humanoid body, she has works hands, walks on two legs. And she has powers and skills on top of that? I could see her easily falling into happiness being a pokemon, enjoying people and life there as well.

posted by Junion (Guest) on December 11th, 2018, 10:52 am

A Little Older Than You...

On page 680: Night Breeze, Darkrai could not even come up with a number, because he is that old. (And is not good with big numbers.) I hope that Jen chooses to go home.

posted by SmartTurtle04 on December 11th, 2018, 11:02 am


Something tells me that even if Jen does go home she's gonna regret that decision we don't know what our home life is like especially with families like. What if she's in a family that Has some serious Tice criminal organizations pushing look what happened with her sister and her brother. What kind of parents that she have that allowed for that sort of thing if they did allow it. At this point we don't know enough to make it a decision so until we see what her home life is like let's hold back on that decision.

Lets us not forget that the protagonist of other Mystery dungeon games didn't go home. The 1st one probly didn't wanna go back because he probably died, Living as a pokemon May have been his 1st only chance at life that's my speculation by the way. Then there was the one who came from the future which let's face it that was no future to live in period and finally there is the 1 at the end of the last game. I keep telling everyone this is going to come down to a damned if you do damned if you don't.

I still think Jen maybe better off being a pokemon for the rest of her life because some people go with the dysphoria, It is miss Bhatt as some people make it out to be as long as in a minimal case. It's the extreme cases that we keep hearing about where people commit suicide, It is the extreme cases that we hear about all the time in its all amount of the person's character. Humans are the most adaptable creatures in the world and we eventually will get used to something it is just a matter of time depending on a person.

But for most of us with darkrai describes, It smells like something most of us humans do for the rest of our lives, And a good chunk of us don't find that piece even in human form, Us humans are very good at being adaptable and getting used to something, it takes a lot, some more so then others. However there is fleeting happiness and then there is fulfilling spiritual happiness. The latter is very hard to get, and most of us almost never find it till the end and even then.

To simplify it, sometimes what we want isn't what we need, and what others think we need isn't what we need. Darkrai may have a point, but there is a good chance that he may be very very wrong. Besides, I thinknhe might be a bit on the bias side of it.

posted by MercenaryX on December 11th, 2018, 12:36 pm



You really want Jen to stay as a pokemon don't you XD

posted by Guest on December 11th, 2018, 12:52 pm

Jen's Family

@MercenaryX, Considering, both Naps and Lovrina worked for Cipher... I can see why she would not want to go back. Maybe the PMD world is a healthier environment for Jen? I wonder what Jen decides.

posted by SmartTurtle04 on December 11th, 2018, 12:57 pm



To paraphrase Mewtwo from the first movie. One's form is irrelevant, it is what you do with it that matters. I believe humanity is capable of such good as much as bad, I like to think the Good parts of Humanity can transcend whatever form we have no matter what. Look at treasures town and the huge marketplace they had.

@SmartTurtle04 Yeah, I for one am kind of hoping for a best of both worlds ending really. Especially since Jen made good friends with Darkrai, Ganger, N, Wes, Mewtwo, and just about all the other pokemon. Also did you get my last post from last night?

posted by MercenaryX on December 11th, 2018, 1:40 pm

Last Night...

@MercenaryX, Darkrai can send Jen back whenever she want's, and then can go back at any time, that would be a nice ending. Also, I commented on your post, on the previous page. (Was I supposed to respond on this page?) I wonder how even something as small as a farmers market can be used for a plot to cause mayham.

posted by SmartTurtle04 on December 11th, 2018, 3:58 pm


Darkrai has so much words to spell yet, otherwise he should leave this choice to jen, i believe she can live nice in Pokémon world, but at other side, not because the family but her original form is human, and this fact can make some events turn in.

posted by Don't call me anything (Guest) on December 11th, 2018, 4:14 pm


she should stay but what about her family.

posted by comercole on December 11th, 2018, 5:00 pm


Darkrai's telling that Jenny get older due to her not having luxury of time, therefore she would age faster than other Pokemons in that current world. So.. Jen is forced to be human again told by Darkrai.

posted by AndreTheLugia on December 11th, 2018, 6:17 pm

Oh right...

Gengars don't age.
(cuz they're ghosts)

posted by darth deebious the wise on December 11th, 2018, 6:45 pm


wes could adopt her... wes loves adopting things.

posted by nymm (Guest) on December 11th, 2018, 7:31 pm


I guess one of the main questions is what sort of environment could produce both Jen, the gentle and empathetic, and Lovrina, the manipulative and exploitative.

Two potential explanations I've thought of:

1. Their home is a good home, but Lovrina went through something when she left home that changed her.
2. Their home is a good home, but Lovrina is a sociopath and her family didn't know how to deal with that.

I find it difficult to believe that they came from a bad home based on how Jen behaves. You don't get someone like her, who entered this situation naive but with a strong moral center that has weathered considerable hardship, from a bad household.

As for remaining here, remember that as much as Jen looks like a Pokemon, she's not. We've seen that there are important differences in how Pokemon think and feel from how humans do (with the possible exception of Mewtwo) and I'm sure there are more we don't see. That's problematic when it comes to raising a 9-year-old human girl.

And then there's the elephant in the room: the fact that she (appears to have) killed Victini. The comic hasn't dwelled on that much, but that's the sort of ordeal that she's going to struggle with for years, and that requires professional help. Individual Pokemon might have individual experience and insight, but Pokemon society lacks the depth and breadth of psychological knowledge needed to reliably face this challenge.

Also, Jen is wasted as a Pokemon in this world. She's shown herself to be capable, but that only says to me that what she's accomplished so far is but a fraction of what she could accomplish with more education and training. Yeah, Pokemon could teach her to lead an adventure team, but again only humans have the body of knowledge to reach her full potential.

It takes a village to raise a child, as they say. But it takes a civilization to raise someone who'll change the world. Pokemon society hasn't reached that point yet.

posted by Anemoneness (Guest) on December 11th, 2018, 7:56 pm


@Anemoneness (Guest). Well said. Don't forget Naps (Their brother) also works for Cipher.

posted by SmartTurtle04 on December 11th, 2018, 9:09 pm


Wait... if Jen is gonna return to the human world and everything gets sealed back up... does that mean the Comic is coming to a close?

posted by Pixel Brush on December 11th, 2018, 11:33 pm



posted by Julian (Guest) on December 12th, 2018, 12:14 am


Imagine if she does become a human again and takes darkrai and gengar as her Pokémon partners.

posted by Mini (Guest) on December 12th, 2018, 12:32 am

Darkrai as Jen's Partner

@Mini (Guest). Gangar was human. If Gangar goes back to the human would, would he go back to his time? Or maybe fast forward his age... which I think he is too old for... There is also the language barrier. She speaks English, Gangar doesn't. I imagine Darkrai would be just fine though.

posted by SmartTurtle04 on December 12th, 2018, 1:31 am


I don't think it would work that way. Time seems to be linear in one direction on both theirs and the human world. The worst possible thing that I could see happening to Gengar is that he becomes a faller, ends up in a random place somewhere in the human world, and loses all his memories. Then, somehow in the future, Jen finds him and becomes his friend or something. But that would be pretty messed up since she would remember him, but he wouldn't remember anything about her.

It would be a fitting, yet bittersweet ending, and would align with the intro of the comic, where this story doesn't end on a completely happy tone.

posted by Guest on December 12th, 2018, 2:08 am

  Totally untrue

I know that a human can get used to living as a pokemon, especially according to the fictional universe of Mystery dungeon. It's obvious how everyone accepts her, and being a former human isn't even her defining characteristic as a person. She would definitely be able to live happily.

posted by Codey (Guest) on December 12th, 2018, 2:19 am


The issues stems from the fact that Darkrai turned Jen into a pokemon as a means to give Victini a pure hearted child to open the door. She may enjoy hanging out with pokemon now, but will she be fine with being like this for the rest of her life? Somehow I doubt it. But the only way I see this ending is that she won't go back unless Gengar can come back with her. Lovrina can take Gengar's place or something as the new scapegoat for everyone's problems...idk.
(There should still be a steep price though in Gengar's case. His punishment has been served, but in his current form, he's practically immortal. And it seems like he's lived for so long that he's forgotten who he originally was when he was human. It makes me think that he'll have to end up paying a massive price in order to return to the human world, but I'm willing to bet that he'd do it for Jen if it's what she wanted - he would just keep the fine print to himself so as to spare her the grief of knowing what will happen should he agree to those terms. And what about Gardevoir, would she be willing to give her old trainer a second chance in the other world, or will she continue to stay behind in this one?)

Plus, it would be super interesting to see at least one actual panel of what Jen and Gengar look like as humans. That's something I'd like to see, maybe.

posted by Guest on December 12th, 2018, 3:11 am


@SmartTurtle04 Just hoping you saw it, given how people can just move on to the next thing, I just wanted to be sure. Also I see all thr fighting like how they treat it in Detective Pikachu, like one-on-one boxing matches. More over I think Pokken Tournament is the best example of how the fights should work.

posted by MercenaryX on December 12th, 2018, 11:15 am

Going Back.....

@Guest, I want to see Darkrai and Gangar as humans as well. There is also the matter of getting Lovrina, N, and Wes back as humans. Poor Umbreon and Espeon are still in their poke'balls. I imagine Wes will let them out when he gets back...

@MercenaryX, Is Shadow Mewtwo, or Pikachu Libre going to be apart of the fight? Becuse Mewtwo going into space, and throwing a shadow ball at your enemy like an asteroid, is awsome. Also, lots of Mega Evolution?

posted by SmartTurtle04 on December 12th, 2018, 11:19 am


@SmartTurtle04 Abso-freaking-lutely, or at least on the space Mewtwo thing, it is just him taking local stuff to act as an over exaggerated meteor. As for pikalibre, that is a whole leauge by itself, think the fake stuff of how showy it is, but is actually mixed in with real fighters fighting for real prizes and such. Think wwe/wwf if the fights where never scripted.

Also what Darkrai discribes about pokemon? It sounds a bit like me in my autism. I'm not joking here either. It is kind of scary to be how much that statement reminds me of it.

posted by MercenaryX on December 13th, 2018, 12:04 am

Side Character Distraction

@MercenaryX, What if an attention seeking Teddiursa gets on a Podium, and tries to distract people from the main battle, and wears a twirling villain mustache, top hat, and monocle, and cape, with it's Ursaring. Teddyursa tries to show it's might, and uses wooden swords and fights it's Ursaring, and Ursaring, gently takes a dive. Teddyursa jumps on Ursaring's belly for applause, and Ursaring scream if no one applauds.

Or the battle of the century begins, and a Jigglypuff starts singing....(We both know how that ends.)

Also, this video made me smile. (And sing along)

posted by SmartTurtle04 on December 13th, 2018, 11:23 am


@SmartTurtle04 I loled.

Also what Darkrai discribes about pokemon? It sounds a bit like me in my autism. I'm not joking here either. It is kind of scary to be how much that statement reminds me of it. Or that is just my Autism making connections that are not really there.

posted by MercenaryX on December 13th, 2018, 12:12 pm


I thought autism was mostly not being able to pick up social cues? I mean just being weird isn't enough of a barrier on its own to prevent one from making friends, but communication is most likely the real reason they can't make lasting relationships. If you wanna stay friends with people, at some point you have to actually talk to them and stuff.

posted by Guest on December 13th, 2018, 2:26 pm


@Guest In a way you just made my point about the subject matter. Human social cues are way different than pokemon Social cues.

posted by MercenaryX on December 13th, 2018, 4:10 pm

A Belated Response.

@MercenaryX, Sorry if I took to long to respond. I thought that would be a funny scene. I can also relate to Darkrai's words. Also, Why is it easier to read animals than people? (There has to be some merit in reading social cues from still images, or may Arcues strike me down.)

posted by SmartTurtle04 on December 13th, 2018, 7:01 pm


Probably because of the whole "animals don't judge you by your words or actions - unless those words or actions are followed up by negative outcomes. All they care about is food and unhealthy amounts of attention." That would be my guess?

posted by Guest on December 13th, 2018, 8:30 pm


@SmartTurtle04 I won't deny the Point that you got there. I just feel it is far more complicated and far more nuanced than what Darkrai is saying. I don't say hes wrong I'm just saying hes not exactly right about it either. There has to be more to it.

posted by MercenaryX on December 13th, 2018, 10:04 pm

Jumping The Gun

@MercenaryX, More Complex, and Nuanced than an extremely (possibly billions of years) old pokemon? Thank you. Hopefully there is another page of Drakrai talking about his Philosophy? There is definitely more to what Darkrai is saying.

posted by SmartTurtle04 on December 14th, 2018, 12:15 am


@SmartTurtle04 There's always a 3rd or 4th option, it's just a matter of finding it.

posted by MercenaryX on January 18th, 2019, 2:23 am