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  Is that really true?

So Pokemon are born fundamentally violent?

If this would be true, every young or newborn Pokemon wouldn't be friendly, sweet, kind, etc. This is demonstrably false...

I can understand that violence, to some degree, is a necessary part of Pokemon life, but to say that they are violent at heart isn't totally accurate. It's a bit cynical and nihilistic, if I have anything to say about it.

But maybe this is just pedantic semantics.

posted by Guest on December 7th, 2018, 2:05 am





 

I am not sure newly hatched pokémon would be exactly violent or unfriendly but most don't hatch with anything like a strong move without careful breeding for it. But I would guess that hatchlings would tend to rough house a lot.

posted by Kattra on December 7th, 2018, 2:30 am



 

I don't get most people here. This fic justified why is it some players who just hatched a pokemon eggs could bring that pokemon to battle.

posted by Guest on December 7th, 2018, 2:35 am



 

Man, for the last time Darkrai, you don't need a partner, you just need good friends. Like the ones sitting around you right now.

And honestly, if it really came down to it, Wes would be the better partner for someone like Darkrai, seeing as he's dealt with dark types quite a bit.

I don't know, from what it sounds like, Darkrai just simply has not found a purpose in life. Giving people and pokemon nightmares has pretty much been his gig since day 1. If being challenged and having a purpose is what Darkrai wants, then why not try a little bit of everything. Wes could train him to battle, Jen could be his friend, Mewtwo and N can watch over him. It doesn't just have to come down to having a partner or nothing at all. Life is a lot more than that.

posted by Guest on December 7th, 2018, 2:45 am



 

I would hope that Jen would be Darkrai's Partner. She wouldn't make sense as a trainer, but she would bring out the absolute best in Darkrai.

She'd play the exact same role as N does in Mewtwo's life.

posted by Guest on December 7th, 2018, 2:48 am



  remember Jirachi from Chapter 1 page 1?

Am I the only one still wondering what the Jirachi at chapter 1 pannel 1 mentioned saying I don't believe in happy endings. I know that its some how linked to the audino and that's why she still has not disappeared into light after defeating Victini but its all so confusing I mean who was that Jirachi and what role does it play in this story? And why has he/she not been shown its self yet? AAAaaaaAAAaHhhHHhhH!!! SO MANY QUESTIONS AND YET NO ANSWERS!! unless the Jirachi is actually Hoopa... BUT THAT MAKES NO SENSE!!! Please someone help because I have been waiting for so long to find out what purpose the Jirachi at chapter 1 pannel 1 page 1 plays. I just hope that the writers of this amazing Mystery Dungeon Victory Fire comic have not forgotten about it...

posted by Guest on December 7th, 2018, 2:51 am



 

I think the answer is that Arceus was not the one who cursed Gengar, it was Jirachi who granted Ninetail's wish when he asked for Gardevoir's trainer to be punished for abandoning her (Remember, Ninetail's was the only one who witnessed what happened between Gardevoir and her trainer on the mountain.) Ninetails simply assumed it was Arceus who cursed Gengar, but its possible that Jirachi overheard his plea. Not sure though, but it seems to connect with what's happened. The real reason reason that Arceus intervened I believe is because Gardevoir was probably possessed by whatever Gengar when he was human was supposed to deal with. I still think he was an aura guardian since he is able to see people's aura and stuff. I think Gardevoir was possessed by Hoopa's unbound shadow, and Arceus had to banish that darkness somehow. As for creating an entirely separate dimension where only pokemon can exist? I doubt that was Arceus's doing. I believe that Dialga and Palkia were the ones who did that.

I think Jirachi is simply lamenting or regretting that they played a part in setting things in motion.

posted by Guest on December 7th, 2018, 3:04 am





 

Seemingly true theory, Darkrai. The power of friendship and teamwork!

posted by AndreTheLugia on December 7th, 2018, 3:19 am





 
Wow Darkrai

It almost sounds like hes reading something of a Bible, at least for me it does. It almost sounds like something out of one of the Chapters involving fallen humanity but with less other stuff and negativity in the way. But given how his life has been prior to this I would not be surprised given the nature of him.

As for his partner she sitting right there at the table next to him all ready!

posted by MercenaryX on December 7th, 2018, 4:12 am





 

I don't know, something about it still sits wrong with me. Are they really destined to be pets half the time and soldiers the other half, never given any... consideration, I guess you would call it?

posted by Shotgun Chuck on December 7th, 2018, 5:19 am





 

Pokemon raised violent? That's new but I would say that is self defense like for example how humans would learn that with fighting skills or weapons like guns or pepper spray and so on.

posted by comercole on December 7th, 2018, 5:32 am





 

Holy crap darkrai. Going down the deep road there. xD

posted by NikuComics on December 7th, 2018, 6:36 am





 

If you don't feel no evil within them then they're not evil. Being competitive and bloodlusting is two separate thing.

posted by ILeninVelikyNamPutOzaril on December 7th, 2018, 9:25 am





 
Drakrai's Philosophy

I think this still might be the inklings from Lovrina's XD002 process... it really goes against everything we were taught...Battling is supposed to help you bond with your pokemon. (Not that he ever got that from Lovrina.) Still how does Darkrai not see his partner is the Audino next to him?

posted by SmartTurtle04 on December 7th, 2018, 10:11 am





 

Some of what Darkrai is saying is a metaphor for humanity too; we are violent beings at the core, and challenges are what drive humans to be what they are. While his words are in context for pokémon, a strong argument can be made for most of what Darkrai says in this strip being a reflection of the measure of a human as well.

After all, there are reasons why we have those sayings of "Beware the nice ones" and other stuff relating to the meek and quiet being some of the most terrifying among us... they've learned how to be gentle thanks to their challenges.

posted by DrakonLameth on December 7th, 2018, 10:43 am



 

I don't understand why everyone thinks Jen is going to be Darkrai's partner. Maybe I'm missing something?

posted by Guest on December 7th, 2018, 12:58 pm



  Pokemon are Battle Hungry?

Makes sense as they're monsters with superpowers that you can add them to your pockets. Action speaks louder than words after all. That's an interesting theory when you think about it. Maybe Victini need someone to stop her and make her a partner but it's still up in the air.

posted by Guest95 (Guest) on December 7th, 2018, 1:41 pm



  Darkrai did say it was theoretical...

Honestly while I think Darkrai's comment rings true, to a degree. I think we need to remember he sees it through a cloud of being with the worst possible people in the world he could be with.

I think basically he's using the wrong word, but has the right idea.

Pokemon need to be challenged in order to actually grow. They need to strive against something, something needs to push so that they may push back.

Consider he said MewTwo and Lopunny were 'sparing' but everything they did was vocal. Social, talking. She kept setting higher and harsher challenges for him, he kept reacting and changing and reaching higher and higher for them, in the end. And she has changed some herself while she dealt with a very challenging pokemon she was trying to teach.

What Mewtwo and Lopunny did amongst each other was not violence. But that was a height of his point.

Otherwise, yes, I think Darkrai needs to realize he actually summoned his ideal trainer to the world. He does not need someone to challenge him physically, he needs someone to challenge him emotionally. When Jen has been doing the entire time to himself and to Gengar. Pushing them to rediscover those feelings buried deep inside.

And what has Darkrai regained from it? Hope. Jen challenged him and helped him find hope.

posted by Junion (Guest) on December 7th, 2018, 2:03 pm



 

Holy shit @Junion, top quality comment.

posted by Guest on December 7th, 2018, 3:11 pm





 
That's like something right out of The Bible.

@Junion (Guest)

I can so see we are going with this at the very least. You say it in best terms possible almost like somebody is able to get the ideas right of The Bible and clear it up for the rest of us.

posted by MercenaryX on December 7th, 2018, 5:27 pm





 

So they HAVE to fight to develop...
good...

posted by darth deebious the wise on December 7th, 2018, 7:23 pm





 

I feel like Jen will offer to be his partner.

posted by Truefan108 on December 7th, 2018, 10:16 pm



  Oooh opening

Wonderrrrr if Jen will jump in here.


… Okay I'm kind of shipping them in the partner square. Go Jen!

posted by biblioholic (Guest) on December 8th, 2018, 12:02 am





 

What Darkrai said about battling, It sort of fits in nicely with my idea of the whole stadium in such involving the entire city comprise of humans turned pokemon and need to do something since they can't seem to get back home, but their home came with them. @SmartTurtle04

posted by MercenaryX on December 8th, 2018, 2:01 am



 

The Pokémon series has always had to deny it’s nature.

For all the talk about friendship, it took several generations before you could interact with your pets outside of dogfighting. On top of that, you’re sort of encouraged to be one of the worst kinds of trainers imaginable, the guy who keeps an army permanently trapped in the storage system for the sake of Pokédex data.

Don’t get me wrong. They’re games and we’re not truly supposed to regard them as living beings. But they always have to sugarcoat the complete disregard for ethics as somehow good for Pokémon.

That’s what really killed me about Black/White. Their’s a group asking people if Pokémon battles are really a good way to treat your pets and rescuing them from abusive owners. Mostly people respond with confusion and their isn’t so much as a single example where someone clearly went too far. Nothing to suggest that Plasma may have a point. Then in the end the boss is just using them to take over the world. So the guys who actually try to address these issues are firmly established as misguided to evil.

posted by Guest (Guest) on December 8th, 2018, 8:07 am





 

Everyone's going so deep into this and I'm just over here like

Wow what a great idea, a multi castform restaurant

posted by WiispNightmare on December 8th, 2018, 8:16 am





 
Can someone please explain

I have no idea what is going on...

posted by Eevee_Lover on December 8th, 2018, 11:24 am





 
What's Going On

@Eevee Lover, I think Darkrai is saying that pokemon are predisposed to fighting and battling? Otherwise, your guess is as good as mine.

@MercenaryX, I suppose Lovrina unintentionally bestowed that philosophy on him? Also, would it be ironic, if the humans turned pokemon, still had to pay taxes? (I imagine a Delibird collects money, like it did with Jessie and James during Master Quest Season 5?)

posted by SmartTurtle04 on December 8th, 2018, 12:44 pm





 

@SmartTurtle04 Well both the human world where the pokemon series takes place AND the pokemon world both use the same currency it seems. Pokedollors or Pokeyen depending on the language. But it seems very universal to me and yeah. I can see alot of that, more so in the human world where a rich man or woman leaves their entire fortune to their pokemon like some people leave theirs here in our world to their cats or dog. Only in Pokemon the pokemon can somehow communicate with humans especially if psychic and is able to make decisions about said money. I can see so many Gardivors being owners of mansions or have holdings in huge corporations. Come tax time they are like the rest of us. As for the Delibird, yeah there should be an army of them running around collecting money.

@WiispNightmare HOLY S**T! You're right! Each one could be in charge of the hot, cold, and other food items. Like Ice Cream stuffs!

posted by MercenaryX on December 9th, 2018, 11:46 am





 
Castform Resturant

@WiispNightmare, Does that mean each Castform is also in charge of the air condition in the resturant? The Sunny Castform has to make use Sunny Day when it is cold outside? And the Snowy Castform has to keep it cold on hot days?

@MercenaryX, It would be interesting to see pokemon try to manipulate and control the monetary system, for their own nefarious plots. Do they just try and rob the Delibird, or take over banks, or pay off Pokemon Police?

posted by SmartTurtle04 on December 9th, 2018, 12:13 pm





 

@SmartTurtle04 That would be an actual interesting thing to see in particular to see how they treat the jails. S for corrupted cops I think they're going to have somebody at the top that's incorruptible and does not allow for leeway on that respect. Look at the cop in the village when medichan punched gangar.

posted by MercenaryX on December 9th, 2018, 7:16 pm





 
PMD Police

@MercenaryX, That Magnezone is going to do his job, and do it well. The Pokemon Mafia, get some of their guys enrolled as cops. (Ironically maybe use a diglett as a mole?) Some cops, will tell the bad guys when to strike, when to lay low. Some will turn a blind eye. Even some of the cops will even help in the crimes. Bottom line, no one stays in jail for long.

posted by SmartTurtle04 on December 9th, 2018, 9:50 pm





 

@SmartTurtle04 Here is one. Pokemon art. All based off the classical art of the great masters, none of this contemporary/modern art since all modern art is trash.

And yeah, I can see pokemon trying to steal all the good art. And yeah, those Corrupt pokemon cops won't last long if caught. More so if they go after the art exhibits.

posted by MercenaryX on December 10th, 2018, 2:06 am





 
Pokemon Art

@MercenaryX, Maybe some pokemon try to steal a Pokemon version of the Mona Lisa? Or maybe run a scam on selling terrible art for outrageous prices? (Selling a blank canvas for $75,000 poke) Maybe forging art, and swapping it with the real one? That would be an interesting scheme.

posted by SmartTurtle04 on December 10th, 2018, 11:40 am



  Pokemon Games tend to flip flop alot on this issue

pokdeex entries for sneasel and weavile are incredibly violent.
"It is extremely vicious and will not stop attacking until its foe is incapable of moving."
that is what pearl's sneasel dex entry mentions
granted that has nothing to do with it being good or evil
they're wild animals with superhuman abilities and animals in the wild are violent creatures
they have to just to survive
that doesn't mean a wild animal cannot be tamed or even learn to like people or other animals

posted by ColonelBen (Guest) on December 10th, 2018, 2:48 pm





 
I LIKE THAT IDEA

@SmartTurtle04 Plus you can have art done by humans that can not be replicated without a huge amount of effort.

Also the stadium idea I was thinking more like Pokken Tournament in the yearly fights. And I can see the city open up whole streets sections for street fairs and farmers markets that pokemon from other regions come together to go to. Like the yearly fair here.

And yeah, I can see sooo many Adventures and exciting moments with the art alone.

posted by MercenaryX on December 11th, 2018, 1:26 am





 
Pokemon Farmers Market

@MercenaryX, And while pokemon are fighting, Some pokemon make bets, sell food for twice as much as they bought it for, and sell lots of Merchandise. (I think all my plans are get rich quick schemes. Ha ha)

posted by SmartTurtle04 on December 11th, 2018, 11:56 am