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May 29th, 2018, 2:02 am

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Thank God our Gengar's back.
So if he's back, everyone should be too right?

Lol, I can't imagine how it feels to be floating debris, must've felt really weird indeed.

posted by ILeninVelikyNamPutOzaril on May 29th, 2018, 2:03 am


yea gengar going to a parallel dimension n' shit? that is pretty wild yea

posted by ThatOneEnderMan on May 29th, 2018, 2:04 am


I hope not everyone (Victini)

posted by Guardian of the universe on May 29th, 2018, 2:05 am


The comic page's content aside, just how many are actually camping the page's release lol?

posted by ILeninVelikyNamPutOzaril on May 29th, 2018, 2:07 am


He isn't comic space dust anymore :D

posted by Neolancer on May 29th, 2018, 2:15 am



posted by TheLonelyMew on May 29th, 2018, 2:40 am


@ILeninVelikyNamPutOzaril Me's camping and shit

and the first thing Gengar is thinking about is Jen, how cute

posted by Firepanda on May 29th, 2018, 2:53 am


Seems like everything goes back to normal, is it?

posted by AndreTheLugia on May 29th, 2018, 2:57 am


Well, seems like normality is slowly reasserting itself. Don't want to speak too soon, but things are looking up, except for the part where Hoopa still owns Mewtwo.

Press F to pay respects to Victini, give Jen a medal, and then it's time to go see what Lovrina has to say for herself. Also, even if putting all the blame on Ninetales is kind of starting to think like him, I still feel like he deserves a little something for all this. He had nothing to do with Darkrai, Victini, or Lovrina's torture-borne demon virus, but this whole mess wouldn't have been possible in the first place without his lethal combination of zero self-control and deft blame-shifting. Of course, he's been able to skate for possibly centuries already, everyone seems to think it was his right to curse her, so why would that change now...

posted by Shotgun Chuck on May 29th, 2018, 4:59 am


@TheLonelyMew let’s hope it isn’t yet! I still feel like there’s more that has to happen for some reason. Also I’ll be a Mew with you

posted by PrettyWittyKitty on May 29th, 2018, 5:17 am


It's all so pretty and colorful now! I love it!! <3

posted by GalopaWXY (Guest) on May 29th, 2018, 6:56 am



and also in full worried brother mode

posted by Carter (Guest) on May 29th, 2018, 6:59 am


@ILeninVelikyNamPutOzaril: I camp it sometimes, when I decide I like this comic better than I like sleep (new pages are uploaded at around 3:00 AM my time) XD

Gengar made me giggle and then made me "Aw" in three panels, so that's quite an achievement. And wow, I didn't realize how much Jen was bleeding. I guess the wound hasn't quite stopped yet. Gengar's right to be worried, especially when I see that sad little face in panel 5. :(

posted by ReaderWriterNerd&Geek on May 29th, 2018, 7:18 am


Gengar! :D ^_^

posted by TechGamer5 on May 29th, 2018, 7:51 am


@TheLonelyMew I don't think it's the end. There are so many things we don't know. What does Hoopa want from Mewtwo (all his power to use for one task at any given time), what will happen to Darkrai, is Victini dead, what will Jen's sister do now that her nefarious activities have been revealed.
So many loose ends.

posted by SensingTabby (Guest) on May 29th, 2018, 8:39 am

  Let's just take a moment

Let's take a moment and just absorb how absolutely adorable Gengar fussing over Jen is

posted by Stumpy (Guest) on May 29th, 2018, 9:25 am


I get the feeling that the next words out of Jens mouth are gonna be," I wanna go home."

posted by PJSam on May 29th, 2018, 9:34 am


@Shotgun Chuck

Well I for one think that this is going to require a story in of itself. And that means that this isn't the end of the story we still have some loose ends that in to be tied up and each of and can be an adventure In of themselves. I for one look for To seeing more. But yes I do believe 9 tails has some karma that needs to be addressed, and particularly how much negative karma she built up over the years. Ninetails is of she right? Either way yes she may have cursed the kid when he was younger in some maybe round about justifiable way, however the end result did lead to all of this and that in of itself is unjustifiable. 9 tails must be made to understand its position and just how untenable it is.

posted by MercenaryX on May 29th, 2018, 10:32 am


He's back! =D

posted by Nashew on May 29th, 2018, 10:58 am


Ok Gengar is back. That mewtwo got his powers back

posted by Truefan108 on May 29th, 2018, 11:00 am

Gangar And Jen Are Back Together!

This just made my day. Everyone got there powers back, and can get together again! I hope that Jen get's healed. @Shotgun Chuck, You want to pay respects to Victini, after she nearly destroyed the world? Okay then "F"? Jen gets a medal though! @MercenaryX I certainly hope that there is a new page Friday!

posted by SmartTurtle04 on May 29th, 2018, 11:05 am


he was stardust...
gengar... you lucky i couldn't collect you or else your @$$ would be on a shop.

posted by darth deebious the wise on May 29th, 2018, 3:13 pm


This may look like an end, but I think the hoopa deal may be used to destroy the core again or seize control. Btw thank you so much for making this comic

posted by Goso (Guest) on May 29th, 2018, 3:45 pm


I wonder if Gengar learned anything usefull in term of abilities from that experience.

posted by Numberplay (Guest) on May 29th, 2018, 4:18 pm


Much relatable to Genger right now. Couldn't sleep for 2 days.

posted by SparkySharkhead on May 29th, 2018, 4:59 pm


@MercenaryX Most Ninetales (75%, because how does even biology) are indeed shes, but for whatever reason I've just always assumed this one is a he.

Also, if you go looking for fanart (I highly don't recommend it), that ratio tends to come out closer to 99.99999999999998% female, and it holds also for Vulpix. I think I've seen like three male Vulpix characters in all my travels through the internet, one barely had any information on it, and one was a one-shot Indiana Jones expy of all the dang things.

Kind of irritating, really, how uncreative some people are. Oh it's not a towering pile of muscles, ergo it must be female.

That comic idea I had, with a male Vulpix as one of the protagonists, is still kicking around. I'm working on being able to draw, so that might become a thing someday. It's gonna be a... rather unusual take on PMD - lot of the usual stuff, former humans, stopping apocalypses, whatnot, but with a take that's supposed to be much grittier and more realistic without becoming edgy.

-Both gameplay mechanics and metaphysical aspects heavily downplayed and also approached from a much different perspective (i.e. an American Christian one)

-A sharp line between Pokemon's attacks and actual magic

-Tracking & defeating foes requires guile & technique as much as or more than brute force; defeating evil is less like rampaging through a succession of dungeons killing everything in sight, and more like coming in halfway though a game of chess where all the pieces have free will.

-World is a giant freaking mess from centuries of evil machinations, bad decisions, and just plain old stupidity.

-The vastest majority of Pokemon are just as smart as any human - also just as creative, and just as capable of evil - but they have to stay hidden to avoid getting captured and enslaved

-This practice in and of itself is a holdover from a less civilized era when trying to travel without Pokemon really was taking your life in your hands.

-The humans aren't there because they're the only ones that can save the world, they're there by complete accident from a government experiment on our side that went a little bit off the rails, and they just keep tripping over evilmongers in the process of trying to find a way back.

-The complete lack of infrastructure seen in PMD games is mainly because the locations in question are frontier towns; elsewhere you might even see well-built-up all-Pokemon cities, with infrastructure.

-The Pokedex is full of blatant garbage left over from olden days; much of that, and much fear & loathing directed towards certain species of Pokemon, is based in superstition rather than fact. Pokemon themselves are not entirely innocent of feeding into these superstitions and beliefs.

-Two Pokemon of the same species will not necessarily be identical, and I'm not just talking about shiny/not shiny and regional variants. Even siblings may have reasonably-noticeable differences in appearance, strength, personality, etc., enough to tell apart on sight. The belief that one specimen is much the same as another, is part of the reason Pokemon are still considered inferiors by humans.

Basically, a world still mired in superstition getting dragged, kicking and screaming, into modernity. Oh, and on and off bouts of lots of car racing & chasing, because as annoying as it may be, blatant author appeal is not technically illegal.

I will admit to taking heavy inspiration from another webcomic author for some of this, whose comic was not Pokemon-related. Unfortunately, I can't in good conscience give their name or link to it, because some of their art comes up raunchy. Not all of it, but way too much as far as I'm concerned.

posted by Shotgun Chuck on May 30th, 2018, 2:05 am

What Is the Name Of Your Comic?

@Shotgun Chuck: In a nutshell, you are going to make a pokemon PMD game with humans in it? Will you please explain how Arceus would let that happen?

posted by SmartTurtle04 on May 30th, 2018, 10:58 am


@Shotgun Chuck brain... can't process... way... too many... words...*brain dies*
(dont take me wrong :/ )

posted by darth deebious the wise on May 30th, 2018, 5:49 pm

Let Me Think.....

@darth deebious the wise, I will try and sum this up in five points.

@Shotgun Chuck is trying to make a webcomic that:

1) The main character is a male Nine Tales, that is in a war torn pokemon world, that takes place in America.

2) The Pokemon comic will make the battles more strategic, and will keep the game mechanics. (You just can't battle randomly, you have to know what you are doing.)

3) The Pokemon are just as smart, and free willed to be evil as the humans, and the setting is in the 21st century.

4) Humans are in the PMD world because of a government experiment that went wrong.

5) Pokemon of the same species will not be defined by their Podex Entries. (A cool,bulky Squirtle with sunglasses, a shy,skinny Squirtle with a banadana, ect.)

Conclusion: @darth deebious the wise, I hope this helped. @Shotgun Chuck, is this what you had in mind?

posted by SmartTurtle04 on May 30th, 2018, 6:54 pm


6) And a Grumpig that rides a motorcycle, cuz Merica XD (Hes a Grumpig because even if he gets into a huge wreck, he can always bounce back!....yeah Ill show myself out.)

posted by Guest on May 30th, 2018, 10:27 pm


GENGAR'S BACK!!! I am so happy rn...

posted by PMD Trash (Guest) on May 30th, 2018, 11:25 pm


@SmartTurtle04 aaaahh...
name of yours in vain not to be ... honor to your name your doing ...

posted by darth deebious the wise on May 31st, 2018, 4:46 pm


If the betting pool is still open, can I bet 10,000 Poké and 3 Reviver Seeds that Hoopa will wait until the world is fixed before unleashing Mewtwo, or using his ( I see Hoopa as male ) own power to do evil stuff.

posted by RaindropDreamer (Guest) on May 31st, 2018, 6:06 pm


Whoops tried to re-edit my previous comment after I made this account just now but I can’t so...

Hi I’m Carter ( Guest ) and RaindropDreamer ( Guest )

posted by RaindropDreamer on May 31st, 2018, 6:19 pm

  Heart warming

Just heartwarming

posted by Julian (Guest) on May 31st, 2018, 7:08 pm

Yes there is still a bet!

@RaindropDreamer (Guest). Thank you for betting $10,000 poke and 3 Reviver Seeds! The Bet is officially over when Hoopa gets Mew Two to do Hoopa's task. The Pot is now $426,000! (Plus Prizes) If anyone is interested. @darth deebious the wise Great Yoda reference.

posted by SmartTurtle04 on May 31st, 2018, 7:34 pm


@SmartTurtle04: The name I've already decided on, it'll be Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Countdown. As for how humans could happen in the PMD world, first, I did actually mean transformed/former humans... in the first place (actual humans will show up later on). The trick is, as far as the comic I've got kicking around in my head goes, the PMD islands are not a separate universe, but a separate part of the same world, which actually used to have some human presence until some long-ago war the reasons for which I haven't figured out yet. No legendary is doing anything to keep humans out, that's all down to the Pokemon themselves keeping up a fearsome front to avoid another war of conquest that, at this point, they would probably lose.

As for your second comment:

1- The aforementioned Vulpix/Ninetales is only one of the main characters, not even a team leader, and also a "former" human. He and the rest of his crew are originally from America, but had to cross a dimensional boundary to get to where they are in the comic; the world of Pokemon, both the "human" side and "Pokemon" side, along with another set of islands that's almost completely deserted aside from the occasional completely-feral Pokemon or similarly-feral human, are still a completely different dimension from the one we live in.

2- Keeping the game mechanics is the exact opposite of what I said. Things like the four-move limit (don't forget, the number four was apparently chosen due to the screen resolution limitations of the original GameBoy, since they didn't want a scrolling box) will not be in force, and Pokemon will be able to experiment with their abilities and vary them to the situation - which may result in having attacks that they wouldn't in the games, or things that aren't readily recognizable as moves (is it really Flame Burst if it's used as a land mine rather than a direct attack?). Rather than having type advantages be played dead straight i.e. Dynamicpunch is a Fighting move so it automatically does 1/2 damage against all Flying types, it might be portrayed more as a function of your typical Flying-type being able to move and attack in three dimensions rather than just two, making them harder to dodge, harder to hit, and, if you do connect, the fact that they're off the ground and don't weigh much means that some of the kinetic energy of the punch will be wasted as motion rather than fully absorbed by the target. And on it goes.

3- True and true. First set of villains will be all Pokemon, none of them legendaries, all with calamitous intent and knowing full well what they're doing.

4- Not all, but some.

5- Correct. No two specimens of a given species are ever physically identical in the real world, so why would they be here? Furthermore, free will implies the ability to rise above instinct, and differences of personality will be present as well. The games, with "natures" and their effect on stats, will often show something like a "Brave" Cyndaquil or a "Gentle" Ninetales or Tyranitar, but Pokedex entries still treat each individual species as a monolithic entity with a single canonical personality, rather like how we think of different animals but with even less variance per individual. This will be portrayed as a product of human ignorance rather than anything approaching the truth.


6- I must admit I never considered that before, but if I do add that then I'll be sure to credit "A Guest Commenter on Another Comic".

posted by Shotgun Chuck on May 31st, 2018, 10:27 pm


@Shotgun Chuck
What? You know the point of PMD is that you go from human and are stuck a pokemon and the character growth, that is what makes me stay for the story.

Wait, nevermind just read the rest.

posted by MercenaryX on May 31st, 2018, 10:46 pm


@MercenaryX Can't tell you how many times I've done that or almost done that on YouTube videos (posted a comment while watching the video that turns out to be answered by the rest of the video).

posted by Shotgun Chuck on May 31st, 2018, 11:31 pm

Thank you for explaining.

@Shot gun chuck.

1) You original comment was long, rambling, and hard to explain, so sorry if I got some things wrong.

2) Thank you for acknowledging the things I got right.

3) Are you seriously going to give a random guest credit for one random joke that continued off of my points, and I made an entire list of trying to explain your comment?

Conclusion: Good luck on the web comic! Can I please get some recognition for analytical assessment?

posted by SmartTurtle04 on May 31st, 2018, 11:57 pm


Where is everyone else...

posted by Guest on March 17th, 2019, 4:30 pm