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May 16th, 2017, 2:00 am

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Sometimes the problem is just so big, there's no way to convey it except as a multimedia presentation!

posted by Bwob (Guest) on May 16th, 2017, 2:07 am


Well... they're screwed. NEW COMIC TIME! jk

posted by GamingNinja on May 16th, 2017, 2:40 am


Pictures help to explain things XD

posted by somerandomguynumber1 on May 16th, 2017, 2:55 am


You know, what really hurts is I'm going to have to go back to work before this explanation comes out.

posted by Shotgun Chuck (Guest) on May 16th, 2017, 3:25 am


The saddest part is if something, anything goes wrong in our society we can call SOMEONE higher up who has a solution.

Mewtwo doesn't have anyone else to refer to for help right now.

posted by Tallen (Guest) on May 16th, 2017, 4:57 am


Other than like, arceus, mind you. But that's kind of a long shot.

Insert Hoopa I guess bc Hoopa saved his miserable arse lol

posted by Lynxiechan on May 16th, 2017, 5:27 am


You know, one of the coolest things about the current situation is how they're such a big team. It started out with just Jen and Gengar and eventually Kecleon and look where they are now! Team Charm is there, N and Wes, Mewtwo...

I'm just feeling sorry for Mewtwo at this point, but it honestly feels a lot like that delicious low point in the PMD games, and aaaaah.

I need the next page! °3°

posted by Razberry (Guest) on May 16th, 2017, 5:49 am


Mewtwo's Defeatist activated.


posted by WiispNightmare on May 16th, 2017, 7:26 am


"So I can draw I diagram of how SCREWED we all are" is one of my favorite quotes. Poor pessimistic Mewtwo.

posted by Dragonoddity (Guest) on May 16th, 2017, 7:53 am


No....I've seen this before.....goodbye gengar.... goodbye Jen.......goodbye kelscon.... wait.....

posted by Black (Guest) on May 16th, 2017, 8:06 am


Wow nobody realizes how clebi could be usefull? Or dialga? Or palkia? Or just any legendary. Heck. Even giritina would be useful in some way shape or form (also I know clelibi
Is a mythical)

posted by Black (Guest) on May 16th, 2017, 8:09 am


RIP pokeworld,or make hoopa unbound

posted by Guest on May 16th, 2017, 8:43 am



posted by Neolancer on May 16th, 2017, 8:57 am


They're all gonna die :(

posted by DKWIdoin on May 16th, 2017, 12:00 pm
This about sums up Mewtwos reaction.

posted by PJSam on May 16th, 2017, 3:55 pm


Diagrams are good

posted by Nashew on May 16th, 2017, 9:30 pm


There is something that can be done. No matter how bad things get, Dialga has time powers. In the Arceus movie, Dialga allowed people to time travel to change the past. As we know from Mystery Dungeon that Dialga is in this world, so the day can be saved.

The thing is, Mewtwo cannot do anything. He is a powerful weapon, but he does not have access to the more practical powers some of the legendaries have. A smart move would be to visit Dialga, then Cresselia to remove Darkrai's curse on Lovrina. Legendaries are the answer here.

posted by ?? (Guest) on May 16th, 2017, 11:15 pm

  Holy crap

He said we're screwed! It's serious b****es!

posted by DatGuy (Guest) on May 17th, 2017, 12:24 am


"You have to understand, that as far as far as Mewtwo's concerned, we're screwed. Yeah, I can prove it mathematically.
Actually, gimme charcoal and a flat surface, this has been a long time coming anyway."

posted by Noobaraptor on May 17th, 2017, 3:39 am


The major problem with Dialga and Arceus is that Dialgas Time Gears were stolen by Victini, and Arceus's Plates were also stolen by Victini, and are likely scattered somewhere around the Relic after it blew up. Without the gears, Dialga can't do much, and without the plates, Arceus can't do much either.

Mewtwo is right, they are screwed.

posted by Guest on May 17th, 2017, 11:23 am


They just gotta fusion dance. Problem solved.

posted by starelement on May 17th, 2017, 4:52 pm


It's a mini black hole. A freaking Black hole. Or a pinhole, but they are all just nasty, unless someone can stop this, their only real hope is to get every living pokemon and human off planet and into another star system.

Where's the Doctor when you need him?

posted by MercenaryX on May 17th, 2017, 5:44 pm


Lies, there are plenty of other options. They could live in the Reverse World, they could get Jirachi to help them, whom can make powerful wishes come true, and Arceus's powers don't come from the plates. His invincibility comes from them, without the plates, he can be injured, but still has access to all his powers.

Even if none of those legendaries could fix this, Palkia can send places in realspace into other dimensions. The Legendaries CAN solve pretty much anything if you can find them and if they are willing to do it. This world is fine. You act like there aren't freakin deities on the planet.

posted by ?? (Guest) on May 17th, 2017, 11:11 pm


Now that I think about it, Celebi and her Senior Minion Kecks are still apparently keeping tabs on this situation.

Speaking of, does anyone know what page it was when he said there were no evil pokemon, only evil humans? Or was that Ninetales that said that? In any case I never bothered to post the appropriate deep, unattractive belly laugh on that page, and now I can't find it.

posted by Shotgun Chuck (Guest) on May 18th, 2017, 1:56 am


No, they really can't. In PMD: T/D/Sky, why didn't Dialga just go back in time and stop the protagonist from ever preventing the future from happening. Why did he send Dusknoir in his place. Because he couldn't do it without the time gears - (There was also the fact that he was, at the time, a translucent glow in the dark rage monster that hated everything!) In the Jewel of Life, why couldn't Dialga just go back in time to prevent Arceus from giving Damos one his plates so that none of the events of the movie ever happened? Because he couldn't do it. He had to send Ash and his friends back in time because he didn't have enough power to go back in time and fix it himself. Also, he was currently fighting his dad, Arceus lol.

Same situation. Why couldn't Arceus just use his powers to create another plate out of nothing. I mean, he's god right? He can just create things out of nothing, and make another plate. There is no other way of looking at it, their reality warping powers are directly tied to physical objects such as the time gears and the plates, and I imagine the Lustrous Orb also allows Palkia to affect space on a massive level.

Without these items, which I'm guessing they can't take along with them into their own realms since they are bound to earth or something, they are nothing more than pokemon themselves. Still extremely powerful, but not able to affect reality in any tangible way.

Also, living in the reverse world when the world is this messed up is practically suicidal since those death clouds that happen in Giratina's world are caused by...actaully I forget what causes them, but I'm pretty sure causing a quantum singularity to form out in a desert qualifies for whatever it was. And, I know, why not just wish the problem away with Jirachi's wish granting powers? Well, if only life were that simple - Jirachi is currently in stasis for a thousand years because of the events that happened in Wish Maker.

Palkia would be far too angry with the whole situation to help them with anything at this point.

And Celebi can only travel through time, she can't change it like Diagla can, so...yeah, I guess that's checkmate buddy. Sorry :(

Though this does answer why the frozen future resembled a blown up planet floating in space. I always wondered why it looked like that. This explains it perfectly for me :)

posted by Guest on May 18th, 2017, 12:31 pm


Normally I wouldn't take a debate about sentient superpower animals so seriously, but since it's fun, I will.

The problem with your theory is it doesn't really prove your point. We have no reason to believe Palkia doesn't have the Lustrous Orb, so he is an option. Jirachi is also an option, as they could wish the problem away. Also why would Arceus's powers be diminished by not having the plates? He could still cross dimensions and use his strongest move, Judgement without any problem. He should still be able to solve the black hole problem, without an issue. You have a good point with Dialga, but he could still send people to the past, before the incident happened, now that they know where it is, and that a human needs to open it for Victini to get to it.

But, let's assume you're right. Dialga can't help, Arceus can't help, and Palkia can't help for whatever reason. That still leaves Giratina, whom could let them hide in his dimension. Jirachi is still an option cause wishes. And even if they were not an option, there is still one more.

This is a black hole. Who creates black holes at will? Gardevoirs do. Under that assumption, we can conclude that psychics can create and dissipate black holes, provided they have enough power to do so.

Ah, but this black hole is too strong, you might be thinking. But, what psychic legendaries are in mystery dungeon?
Well, Mew, Mewtwo, Jirachi, Celebi, Latias, Latios, Deoxys, Uxie, Mesprit, Azelf, and Cresselia. If any number of them worked together, their combined powers would be more than a match for the black hole. After all, anything that has been made can be unmade right?

Have some faith in Pokemon. Out of the many fictional worlds out there, this world is probably one of the best for handling catastrophes. This level of problem is like Tuesday for them. Each legendary is far stronger than the games would have you think. If humans which are far, far weaker like Iron Man or Batman can save the day, who's to say super psychic legendaries couldn't save the day? The problem with making a disaster in the pokemon world, is that there are so many ways to solve said problem. The only issue is finding the pokemon that are willing to fix it. In a world where tears can bring back the dead, I'm not worried about their future.

posted by ?? (Guest) on May 18th, 2017, 1:14 pm


Hey! You can't edit your post while I'm making mine to refute yours! Now mine looks silly, lol.

To double refute yours, not checkmate, because you didn't address some of my counters yet. So TAKE THAT! (pheonix wright point)

Also Jirachi is in stasis in the normal pokemon world. He is not in stasis in Mystery Dungeon. Giratina is fair enough, but maybe Palkia would be SO MAD that he would just take his frustration out on the black hole that is destroying everything.

Nice try pal, I got counters for days. You'll have to try harder than that to get a checkmate. :P

posted by ?? (Guest) on May 18th, 2017, 1:21 pm


I was mostly just editing it so it was more readable, It wasn't intended for debating anything. (I'm anal about spelling errors sometimes.)

(In Victory Fire, there is only one of every legendary. Except for Mewtwo and Genesect, because humans made more than one of them.)

And I'm pretty sure any attempt at destroying a blackhole would just result in it sucking up their attacks and spitting them back out again. You can't destroy something that is already currently destroying itself.

As for Psychics creating blackholes and getting rid of them? I'm pretty sure if Mewtwo can't do that himself, then Gardevoir can't either.

The creation trio all have their own domains, I think. Arceus has the hall of origin, Dialga has temporal tower, and Palkia, uh.. something something space world? And the problem with going to Giratina's world isn't just that the clouds could kill them, but that would be just like running away. (The world will still be destroyed with or without them there.)

And blowing up a blackhole, even if it could be done, would just end up killing everyone.

Legendaries are indeed powerful, but they do have their limits. Lets just leave it at that, since blowing up stars and planets is just Dragon Ball Z logic. As cool as it sounds on paper, there isn't a single legendary pokemon that could blow up a planet...well, maybe Necrozma and the Ultimate Weapon could, but even then I'm unsure, and neither of them are technically pokemon.

There is a small possibility that Palkia or Hoopa can transport the Blackhole outside of their solar system, but that just sounds like easy mode, plus it might end up killing them in the process - (Don't you enjoy seeing world ending events like this? Why are you trying to take this away from me huh!? Why can't you enjoy their hardships and suffering like me lol.)

As for Iron Man and Batman, well, Batman would obviously get his butt handed to him, but Iron Man would definitely win against most pokemon easily. He's pretty much a one man army and can shoot missiles that can blow up entire mountains. Hyper Beam has got nothing on that.

posted by Guest on May 18th, 2017, 3:17 pm



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posted by Guest on May 18th, 2017, 9:50 pm


@??: Your post brings up an unrelated but interesting side tangent. It's been brought up before - that this is effectively a world in which everyone is a superhero or supervillain - but I never really thought about it in terms of... government. The idea of what system of government the "wild" Pokemon use is rarely explored... but I bet tyrannical kleptocracies of the type normally denoted by the words "people's republic" would have a tough time surviving.

Does anyone remember The Incredibles? (SPOILER WARNING if you don't)

Remember Syndrome's motivation for his gadgeteering? It was to knock the supers off their perch. "When everyone is special, no one is." Superhero envy; a plausible motivation for a gadget-themed villain. But when you think about it... that could easily be turned around. In real life, we humans tend to rely on tools, weapons, and cunning to do any damage to anything, especially at a distance. Totalitarian governments can survive for years at a time by restricting the means of resistance (i.e. tools and weapons) and invoking fear and paranoia against cunning (i.e. what if my fellow dissidents all turn out to be government stooges?)

But consider a world in which pretty much everyone has their weapons built in from birth, or at least evolution. Suddenly things look different. You might be strong, maybe even strong enough to seize power for a while and make your opponents cower. But sooner or later, a challenger will appear to set things right (I say again: how is that jerk Ninetales still alive?). So how would you secure power and replicate a human tyranny? Restrict the means of evolution? Good luck, especially when so many pokemon evolve by strength rather than item. Kill anyone who evolves? Good luck again, especially since there will probably be enough already evolved to give you a serious problem - and besides, an NFE can still be a pretty tough cookie with enough training. Surround yourself with tough bodyguards? Remember to pay them on time! Create paranoia? With so many potential mind-readers about, a hypothetical stool pigeon would last all of about a week before being outed. Bamboozle the public? See above. In other words, you'd have to respect the common folk, or they'd quickly earn your respect in a way you'd wish they wouldn't.

Does anyone have comments, even though this is a massive sidetrack and there are only 2h 12min before the next page goes up?

posted by Shotgun Chuck (Guest) on May 18th, 2017, 11:53 pm