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"Hurr durr"
-Mewtwo's first actually spoken words

posted by AGV (Guest) on July 26th, 2016, 2:10 am





 

I'm... almosst as weak... as alll of you... t-togetherr...

Oh, nice touch with the silent/faded psychic speech bubbles. Almost missed those.

posted by InfinitySquirrel on July 26th, 2016, 3:03 am



  You scared me!

For a brief moment back there I thought Mewtwo had lost his ability to speak!

Edit: Oh, now I realized he kind of did, psychically.

posted by ThalLeal on July 26th, 2016, 5:48 am



 

Mewtwo can speak without telepathy?

posted by Guest on July 26th, 2016, 6:09 am



 

@InfinitySquirrel: I agree, that was a nice touch; I almost didn't see them either. (You aren't reading this on a phone, are you? XD)

And @sulfurbunny: Wow, so apparently we think alike. Within my stories, Mewtwo can and does run out of psychic power, though this doesn't happen often, and headaches are like the equivalent of a sore throat to him. The only difference is that he can't actually talk; he has to borrow some other Pokemon's language.

Enough about me, let's talk about you.

These kids seem very nice; I hope they have parents nearby who can help. Happiny's little sympathetic "Oh gosh!" (it seems sympathetic, anyway) is making me love her. XD But man, poor Mewtwo, he looks so beat up and worn out, and miserable in the second panel, and so scared in the fourth and fifth. I'd be pretty scared too, if the power I'd relied on to defend myself my entire life was just *gone*. I know he's been training physically, but just how strong is he that way?

And what about the rest of our intrepid characters? (Aagh, what is this webcomic doing to me, I keep randomly obsessing about it in the middle of doing something else.) I suppose I'll just have to wait.

P. S.: "I hope these kids have parents nearby who can help..." Gee, I hope they have *parents*. XD That came out sounding wrong...

posted by ReaderWriterNerd&Geek (Guest) on July 26th, 2016, 6:25 am





 

Eyo my favorite long comment person :)

It's never been clear what's going on with the Pokespeech thing. We know Pokemon can understand human speech, every iteration of the franchise agrees on that. But the other way round, it's a bit more obscure. In the anime, humans perceive Pokemon as just saying iterations of their names. In the games, we get different sfx speechbubbles from Pokemon we interact with, based more on the ingame cries: I particularly remember a psyduck that says "Gwappa?"

Mewtwo is a unique synthetic Pokemon and may or may not have additional human DNA depending on how a big a fan of the First Movie you are. If "Pokespeech" is a language as the anime's version, with specifics that depend on the species, I'm not sure he'd have a "Pokespeech" version of his own. So there's a thought, not VF canon just my thought: he may actually be speaking a human language here and struggling because of the unfamiliar sounds.

(blah blah blah SCIENCE evolved human anatomical features for production of speech SCIENCE)


Of course if people prefer for him to be going "mewtwo mewtwo mewtwo" (which someone on DA said was a pretty cute image) that's fine too. I'll leave it open.

posted by sulfurbunny on July 26th, 2016, 6:41 am





 

Well that's a first. I bet his voice is all raspy from not speaking like ever

posted by Nashew on July 26th, 2016, 8:47 am





 

I can only hope Mewtwo will engage in a thrilling game of beach ball to pass the time while he recovers.

posted by Axies on July 26th, 2016, 10:12 am





 

I hope he gets better soon. Also is he even in the PMD world still? Or did Hoopa take him somewhere else?

posted by PJSam on July 26th, 2016, 11:00 am





 

well I'm gonna elaborate on your comment sulphur, pokemon can speak english but only after months and months of practice (meowth for instance) but as a side effect they cant learn new moves as it is possibly considered a move. Now if you are talking about mewtwo being partially human, he may be very adept at learning and understanding both languages. My reasoning behind this is that he is supposedly the most powerful phycic type he should very well have the mental capacity to learn and speak both. However it might or might not consider language as a move because of his dna being partially human, so I might have gotten somewhere with this conversation buuut I am not sure...

posted by rave917 on July 26th, 2016, 12:16 pm





 
The Watch!

The watch is hidden very nicely in this chapter.. I wonder if something has happened to it.

posted by Kamu on July 26th, 2016, 1:00 pm



 

@sulfurbunny: Aw, glad you like my long comments :) And, yeah, I've never been quite sure how that works. Like how come wild Pokemon understand humans right away? It's also weird how sometimes Pokemon seem perfectly capable of understanding Pokemon of other species, but sometimes they can't, like that one Wartortle Pikachu couldn't understand in the first season. My guess is that he was using some kind of Wartortle slang that Pikachu didn't even understand XD

Wait...I'm not thinking of anything in the first movie that suggests that Mewtwo has human DNA...or am I misinterpreting your comment? XD But yeah, it's all kind of ambiguous. I can't help but imagine him speaking English here (or something else, but since it's written in English); the idea of saying "Mewtwo mew mew mew two" just always seemed kinda silly. Though not much more so than "Bulba, bulbasaur saur bulba bulb," I suppose...

@Axies: I am hoping that too, suddenly. XD Although he looks like he might be too tired.

posted by ReaderWriterNerd&Geek (Guest) on July 26th, 2016, 6:42 pm





 

He may have shared some of Ai's DNA according to the Birth of Mewtwo prologue (you know, that bit that got CUT FROM WESTERN RELEASE because 4kids WON'T LET US HAVE NICE THINGS). There's a few VF commentors who are pretty adamant that that's the case, I'm sure some of them will weigh in with relevant details.

posted by sulfurbunny on July 26th, 2016, 7:01 pm





 

@ReaderWriterNerd&Geek

The main premise of the first movie was basically - Gene Splicing, which is the genetic modification of one or more species and combining them together to form another through scientific means. In this case, the DNA of a deceased girl named Amber who was the daughter of Dr. Fugi, Mew, Bulbasaur, Charmander, and a Squirtle were used as baseline to create an entirely new species. Since it was kids show, they had to tone down the context of what was really going on - Cloning, Gene Splicing and DNA manipulation. The English version of the Pokémon movie was censored due to religious reasons, so the only way you would ever know about Ambertwo back then was by watching the Japanese version, or the uncut English version.

posted by XD-MADNESS on July 26th, 2016, 7:10 pm



 

@XD-MADNESS

And that's also why Mewtwo is called the genetic Pokémon in the pokedex.

posted by Guest on July 26th, 2016, 7:21 pm



 

@sulfurbunny: Won't let us have sad things, you mean. Eleven-year-old me got a big shock when she first saw the Uncut Story on the Mewtwo Returns DVD XD

I jest, I love the short, but it's so sad...

And huh (@XD-MADNESS, this includes you too, lol). I never got the impression that Ai or any of the other clones had their DNA spliced with Mewtwo's. That's an interesting take on it, I'm not saying I disagree, I just always thought the other three were test runs, especially since their powers didn't have anything to do with Mewtwo, and Ai/Amber was Fuji's project first and foremost. But it's interesting to think about :) Thanks for getting back to me.

posted by ReaderWriterNerd@Geek (Guest) on July 26th, 2016, 8:24 pm



 

@ReaderWriterNerd&Geek

Mewtwo also has human DNA in the PokeSpe/Adventures manga (Blaine was the donor), so the anime is not the only media that has the 'Mewtwo has human DNA spliced into his genome' concept.

posted by Quid (Guest) on July 26th, 2016, 8:25 pm



 

@Quid: That's true, I was actually wondering if I was misinterpreting sulfurbunny's comment to mean that "if you're not that big a fan of the first movie, then you can follow the manga canon, which explicitly states that Mewtwo has human DNA". However, it is the only media that has that as an indisputable fact...unless there's been a new update that I don't know about. XD

posted by ReaderWriterNerd&Geek (Guest) on July 26th, 2016, 8:32 pm





 

Uh oh! Someone burned out their battery.

posted by MercenaryX on July 26th, 2016, 8:48 pm





 
SCIENCE TO THE RESCUE!

If it still doesn't make sense as to why they needed a Mew, Bulbasaur, Charmander, Squirtle, and Mew + Human DNA., then here is the reason. If you've taken Biology before, you may have heard of the Punnett Square - which has four squares in one. The number of Pokémon which equals four hints at it adhering to the rules of genetic stability. Male DNA = His father/His mother +2 & Female DNA = Her Mother/Her Father +2. So 2 + 2 = four genetic samples, which is the bare minimum. And Mewtwo technically didn't have a mother, since he was born inside of a machine or a test tube, so one of those Pokémon - IN THAT ROOM - had to have been Mewtwo's mother. My vote is on Charmander being the mom lmao!

Basically, if ones gene pool is not diverse enough, then of course genetic degeneration/degradation or mutation is the only path left. Usually mutation is a bad thing though, but degeneration is much worse. genetic degeneration is the primary reason why you should never marry/have kids with your first cousin or anyone too closely related to yourself.

Also, diversifying the gene pool increases the chances of a life forming in general. And due to them basically trying to force Pokémon and human DNA together, they needed all the success they could get!

posted by XD-MADNESS on July 26th, 2016, 8:58 pm



 

Me after finals.

posted by Reeves (Guest) on July 26th, 2016, 9:28 pm



 

@XD-MADNESS
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQm1aPmugCs9e-r2l4FE4JcISpD8BRsN1Ja

And here I present exhibit A. on how to get shiny Pokémon!

posted by Guest on July 26th, 2016, 9:36 pm





 

Oh, and another thing that is interesting about what you just said that ties this all together almost perfectly: Remember that thing that was introduced in Pokémon Black & White 2? The 'DNA Splicer!' which combined Rashiram or Zekrom with Kyurem. Seeing it from this perspective, it's practically an unintended fate that sulfer had it so Team Rocket sold Team Plasma Mewtwo's genetic code. This might also explain the DNA Splicer that was used to create the fusion of those two legendaries with Kyurem. Maybe them creating the second Mewtwo was like stepping stone towards their true goal, which was Reshiram/Zekrom/Kyurem, and fusing all three together.

Anyways, if Ash ever shows up, it would be a hilarious DBZ reference to have them practicing fusion evolution by training together (minus the hyperbolic time chamber, duh (well that is if Dialga doesn't show up and make the joke even more hilarious by letting them both train in Temporal Tower, haha!)). At the very least, Ash could probably demonstrate it or something.

posted by Dark Matter on July 27th, 2016, 3:01 am



 

@Dark Matter

Or maybe this was their true goal
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/6e/d0/ce/6ed0ce8f67f1a57951c070d568a0b112.jpg

Arceus would be screwed lol.

posted by Guest on July 27th, 2016, 3:18 am





 

mewtwo actually spoke without using telepathy o.o

posted by Dusty Maku on July 27th, 2016, 4:35 am



 

@XD-MADNESS: Ohhhh...now that does make a lot of sense. Thank you, you taught me something new! :) Although, I still am not seeing Bulbasaur, Charmander, or Squirtle in Mewtwo. I'm just not seeing it. *shrugs helplessly* Human, however, I will grant you.

On a side note, lookit me being accidentally accurate and, within my stories, giving Mewtwo four Pokemon in his genepool without knowing a darned thing about the Punnett Square! :D

posted by ReaderWriterNerd&Geek (Guest) on July 27th, 2016, 9:03 am





 

*Sigh* ok, one last time lol.

Take notice of Mewtwo and his tail color. Essentially the color purple or Fuscia. Charmander skin is orange and Mew is pink. If you mix these two colors together, depending on the ratio, you either get a pinkish red or a purplish color. And Mewtwo's tail looks almost like Charmander's but it retains the shape of Mews tail on its tip.

Mewtwo's posture and the way he stands up straight is a spinal trait commonly found in humans. But the way he slouches forward is more reflective of how Charmander or Squirtle stands initially.

And I'll assume Bulbasaur was thrown in for rapid tissue regenerative reasons. Hence why he knows the move recover.

And the reason that Ai's DNA was spliced with Mew's was for two reasons. 1: Mew has no genetic ancestors, because she or it is immortal, which I assume is the primary reason most legendary Pokémon can't breed since they have no genetic diversity.

Genetic diversity: Fire type, Water type, Grass Type, Normal/Psychic type, uh... Human type?

Reason 2: Dr. Fuji was obsessed with getting his daughter back.

And don't forget, Pokemon lay eggs, so one of those pokemon in that room had to be female. And of course, Mewtwo would have take after its mother *points at Charmander* or father *points at Squirtle* since Ai is dead and Mew isn't there to take responsibility lol.

posted by XD-MADNESS on July 27th, 2016, 1:32 pm



 

@XD-MADNESS: You know, it's occurred to me (belatedly, I know) that I might have come across as though I was attacking your headcanon, which I didn't want to do, and if I did, I apologize. I really have a strong argumentative streak in me; I don't really mean anything by it, I just like to debate. And air my thoughts.

The problem with this being, of course, that with things like headcanons we could argue all day and never get anywhere, 'cause there's nothing to say for sure one way or the other.

So, yeah, if I sounded like an overcritical jerk, I'm sorry.

I can see where you're coming from with this, though. I definitely never thought that it was purely Mew DNA that went into Mewtwo's genetic make-up, and I always thought human was plausible, even if I didn't want to go there myself. Charmander, Squirtle, and Bulbasaur are, like I say, three I never would have thought of, but the physical traits could suggest that. Especially if he is just covered with skin - I always thought it was fur. *shrug* (Honest question here: Does Bulbasaur heal real quickly? I never knew this.)

And OK, yeah, I can understand the idea behind splicing Amber's DNA with Mewtwo's - kind of a, "Even if the Amber clone I'm working on dies, this other creature will have a trace of her in it/him". That seems like Fuji grasping at straws to me, but then again, I don't think the man was entirely sane, lol. However, he does react as if there is no hope of Amber coming back when she dies (in the animated short, anyway, not the CD drama), but then there's also the "Only Mewtwo survives" - I forget what he says in the Japanese - which could mean that yes, there's some hope of a part of Amber living on...

And yeah, there we go, we could argue about this until Friday and beyond. XD

Also, could someone please update this hapless Genwunner on the status of legendaries nowadays? I originally had the impression that Mews were a species that had gone (or was thought to have gone) extinct; I mean, you wouldn't say "extinct" if there was only one, right? But now the legendaries are treated as if they are gods and immortal and I'm so confused...

posted by ReaderWriterNerd&Geek (Guest) on July 27th, 2016, 3:17 pm





 

I don't believe Mewtwo has any DNA of Bulbasaur, Charmander or Squirtle families. He doesn't look like them and he has never shown any abilities similar to what they can do by nature. (Also, sorry XD-MADNESS but genetics doesn't quite work that way lol... punnet squares are certainly a thing but when genetic splicing is going on we don't exactly have a standard punnet square setup)

I think Mewtwo may have had some of Ai's DNA, though the jury's still out regarding the other three Pokemon clones. It seemed fairly clear that it was the supreme adaptability of the Mew genetic code--something unique to his genetic structure--which allowed him to survive while the other clones died. Mewtwo does also appear oddly human-ish in many respects.


ReaderWriterNerd&Geek, re legendaries - the tl;dr is "we don't know". Some legendaries are portrayed as uniques. One, Lugia, has been canonically shown to breed (wut?). Some have appeared multiple times in the anime in very different roles, but until we see two onscreen at the same time (aka the Superman problem) we can't CONFIRM they're multiple entities. For Victory Fire I personally ignore that whole weird Lugia mess and treat 'em all as uniques, but that's not a position supported by canon. Your mileage may vary.

posted by sulfurbunny on July 27th, 2016, 7:05 pm





 
@ReaderWriterNerd&Geek + sulferbunny

Ahh don't worry, I didn't even see that as a debate. I was just trying to make sure what I said made sense, while pointing some things out that others may not have noticed before.

(Plants: yes, as long as the roots of a plant remain intact, a plant can regrow almost anything attached to itself pretty rapidly.)

No worries sulferbunny. In fact, you're completely right on that anyways, as there is no conclusive evidence for what a chart would look like in terms of cross specism or anything like that. It's good to be skeptical of science at all times :)

And even if those three were or weren't part of him, it wouldn't matter anyways because Mew is known as the progenitor of all Pokémon. (Seriously, Mew can learn almost 100% of the TM/HM list of attacks.)

As for the general lifespan of clones, that sort of falls into the degeneration aspect of what I mentioned.

In terms of whether or not what I said is believable, there is no way to prove that he is in fact a combination of all of them. The whole thing is fictional, so it would be pointless to do that anyways.

(And I didn't even get into recessive genes/dominate ones which deal with appearence/color/pigmentation, so bleh lol. )

As for legendary uniqueness, I mostly just went based on game logic, where only their gender was unknown, which doesn't exactly state that they can't breed, but rather that it is unknown that there are others like them out in the wild.

Also, I suppose I should apologize too for scaring everyone, and my walls of text of course. I didn't mean to annoy anybody if I did. So uh...i guess I'll just..
go away now... T_T (Definitely said too much/overstayed his welcome.)

posted by XD-MADNESS on July 27th, 2016, 10:07 pm



 

Does Bulbasaur heal fast?! Ehem. (Ingrain + Leech Seed + Sunny Day + leftovers + Synthesis/Mega Drain. I rest my case lol.

posted by Guest on July 27th, 2016, 11:06 pm



 

Well, Mew can talk, as shown in Super - she's got quite the mouth on her, too. (At least, I think it's a her...) Mewtwo is a mixture of Mew's and human DNA in every canon, although the actual amount and source of human varies; humans (obviously) have tongues and vocal cords, so if Mew does, I don't see a chance that Mewtwo wouldn't. He'd have to have a mouth anyway, just for breathing, so I see no reason why he wouldn't have vocal cords too.

posted by Guest on July 28th, 2016, 9:28 am





 

To be perfectly honest, I would believe it either way. Really though, in scientific terms, Mewtwo is pretty much the very definition of what any scientist would call a chimera. Your theory sounds plausible XD-MADNESS, but as you yourself said, this is "Pokemon," not real life, therefore a lot of creative liberties can be taken in this case.

Let me guess then, you minored in Bio-Chem?

posted by Dark Matter on July 28th, 2016, 3:58 pm





 

@Dark Matter

Guilty as charged :) Yep, Bio chem and medical science actually. So, somehow I've got to get all of these crazy theoretical ideas or thoughts out of my system/head and off my chest before people actually begin taking me seriously, since there won't be any room for that type of thinking anymore when I'm finished.

In a way, it's kind of a difficult transition to make, knowing that you can no longer view things in that light. In other words, if you're reading something, and it's not cited in the realm of absolute fact, then it doesn't exist.

And I've had to stop reading science fiction novels just because of that very thing. And I like Sci-Fi, so I'm gonna miss that :(

posted by XD-MADNESS on July 28th, 2016, 10:05 pm



 

There must be multiple of some Legends, a latios apeard after the eon duo movie were (spoiler alert) latios dies. Excluding the Lugia baby appearing with its mother, and the multiple celibies (pkmn 4 ever), multiple minor Regis, under multiple trainer's, genesect X5, shamin literally saying there were other shamin, ext.

posted by 42Meep (Guest) on July 29th, 2016, 12:37 am





 

@42Meep: Another Latias and Latios along with the original Latias, to be exact, and that Sinnoh league guy with Latios and Darkrai, and the only time a legend recognizes Ash again being Arceus Jewel of Life's Giratina, we must come to the conclusion that there are multiples.

posted by WiispNightmare on July 29th, 2016, 7:33 am



 

@42meep

As much as I hate to be that person, I don't think the movie dealing with Alto Mare could be considered canon, or the one with the talking Lugia, as much as I kind of wish they were. Also, did anyone else know there are two movies specifically about Celibi? I'm pretty sure only the one involving Prof. Oak when he was younger is the one that is actually canon, same with Mystery of the unown since it involved the Hale family.

And pretty much all of the movies involving Palkia or Dialga are chronologically messed up. I'm sure there's a joke about time warps in there somewhere.

First X & Y movie involving Yveltal isn't cannon either.

Surprisingly though, the one with Reshiram/Zekrom might be cannon since Giovanni actually appeared in it.

posted by Guest on July 29th, 2016, 9:05 am



 

@Guest who talked about Bulbasaur: Ah, Mega Drain, how could I have forgotten about good old Mega Drain? My Vileplume's MO is Mega Drain! *shame* Anyhow, thank you :)

@sulfurbunny: OK, got it (as much as one CAN get it when it's so confusing :P). I always just viewed the legendaries as super-powerful, super-intelligent Pokemon who were very secretive and didn't show themselves often to humans. Naturally, all kinds of legends would spring up around creatures like that, so separating fact from fiction is a difficult task.

BUT I also like the uniques idea! :) I like the way they're called "firstborn" and seem to have a sort of hierarchy and they all know each other, it's almost like the Greek gods and I love the Greek myths, so XD

@XD-MADNESS: Oh, no worries, you're fine :) I'm glad I didn't offend you or anything. I don't think you wore out your welcome, but then, you're talking to the High Queen of text-walls here. XD

Yeah, short of asking the creators of Pokemon (who would probably tell us that we think about it more than they do), there's really no way to prove WHAT Mewtwo has in his genetic make-up. Only in the manga is it ever explicitly stated what he's made of, so everything else is pure fan Wild Mass Guessing.

And yeah, as sulfurbunny pointed out, the legendaries thing is a nice little bundle of contradictions. :P

I do really like the "grass Pokemon heal faster and better because plants do" theory, however. I think it will be my new pet theory. Do you mind if I use it (with due credit)?

And - pardon me for butting in on yet another conversation that didn't include me - I don't see why, just because you get a science degree, that means you have to stop engaging in fan theories and headcanons. I mean, sure, in the workplace, you'd better have hard evidence for what you're saying, but in the realm of fiction, anything goes.

(I just saw you say that you'd stopped reading science fiction because of this and I thought, "NO DON'T!" So I had to voice my concern.)

posted by ReaderWriterNerd&Geek (Guest) on August 2nd, 2016, 11:27 am