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April 21st, 2015, 12:17 am




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Long time no post.

I gotta say, you didn't write this part very well. not that a coherent narrative is not warranted in most of the story, but its the nature of a dream that makes it "fragmented", "scattered", "broken", "Intermittent", "Shifting" and most often "silent". a dream is not a coherent narrative as shown in the last 3 pages. a dream is a haze of consciousness and should be written as such.

if ya wanna say "they're psychic Pokemon and can control the dream world" and go with it... Ok... i can accept that. but that's just a lazy way to not have to deal with the true nature of a dream (not that im actually accusing you guys of that, i dont think it was delebrite); and get really creative. delver the narrative through a series fragmented images and actions instead of dialog, and have as few words as possible.
(im not saying none)

a lot of TV show writers don't really know how to write dream sequences to better reflect dreams in reality, and most of them go with a "false awaking" style narrative. but when you go with a extended conversation in a dream is when i cringe, when was the last time you could talk in your dream-state in any coherent narrative?

i'm still enjoying this comic, and i hope this is taken as constrictive criticism.

posted by Ziliath (Guest) on April 21st, 2015, 4:25 am





 

In the defense on the dream sequence, I felt dragging it out would become boring and needlessly extend the plot. Can you imagine twenty or so pages of this. While it would certainly provide more of a dreamy feel, I just think we're better off not getting dragged down in the details.

Also, I wonder if Victini needs to open that vault or something for a good reason.

posted by Axies on April 21st, 2015, 5:41 am



 

Victini is a she?
Anyway upon rereading this chapter draws paralel between Jen and Gengar. Both asked help to Gengar, and Jen also said the same words 'I don't know what to do' and the chapter title is 'Tired'.
So the two aren't so different

posted by Guest on April 21st, 2015, 6:28 am



  *spoiler alert*

victini is j-*gets hit by a bus*

posted by missingno way (Guest) on April 21st, 2015, 8:24 am





 

By "her", does Darkrai mean Jen or someone else?
Also, poor Darkrai needs a break.

posted by MiniDragonfly on April 21st, 2015, 8:47 am





 

Could it be that he is referring to Lovrina?

posted by PJSam on April 21st, 2015, 9:05 am



 

Hmmm the possibilities of "her" are loverina, jen and victini.....i say it's victini

posted by Guest on April 21st, 2015, 1:25 pm



 

I think Zilanth is full of it, sure it isn't that accurate to how dreams really work. However, between Darkrai, who's entire raison d'etre is dream manipulation and the almighty king of brute forcing psychic powers that is Mewtwo, it can DEFINITELY be as coherent as it is now.

Besides, I'd rather not spend what would be the next few months, at the current update rate, trying to decipher some bit of useful information out of what is essentially complete gibberish. There are GOOD reasons why 99% of writers intentionally don't write things like dreams and hallucinations properly, most of them have to do with actually being able to deliver the narrative in a timely and coherent manner. I honestly think this is the best part (so far) of the plot, and the art has been consistently amazing, so keep it coming!

posted by XNerd2 on April 21st, 2015, 5:45 pm





 

Dun dun DUUUUN!

posted by Luigi_96 on April 21st, 2015, 9:32 pm



 

I agree with XNerd2, I think that the dream scenes are going to be interesting because Darkrai will finally be able to explain what's going on and who the real threat is to Jen and their world. It's not like Darkrai can talk to them in person while there awake since he is Victini's prisoner after all so the only way that Darkrai could do so is through a few dream scenes, there's nothing wrong with that. And these pages take time to complete I mean look at the beautiful artwork. If a page comes out after it's supposed to there's nothing wrong with that. It means that the author has other things going on and at the same time wants to make their page nice and not rush it onto the internet for impatient people. Sorry for the rant but that really got on my nerves. Oh and is Victini a girl or a boy because when I read Victini's parts I think of a female voice for some reason.

posted by Jennifer (Guest) on April 21st, 2015, 10:48 pm



 

@missingno_way Victini can't be Jen's sister, she's a shadow pokemon. Unless she experimented on herself! Wait...

posted by Guest on April 22nd, 2015, 1:24 am



  @Zilianth

Unfortunately, you failed to account for lucid dreaming no? Dreams can be quite vivid and well constructed under the right circumstances. If they are aware they are dreaming like Gengar realized when Mewtwo touched him, dreams can be quite clear and stable. In short, since he's aware of his dream (lucid dreaming) this is realistic.

posted by ?? (Guest) on April 22nd, 2015, 9:41 am



 

Ziliath. Dude.

Darkrai is the lord of nightmares. Gengar's signature move is Dream Eater. Mewtwo is a powerful psychic with absolute control over his mind. I think Pokédreams might have slightly different mechanics to human dreams.

posted by Common Sense (Guest) on April 22nd, 2015, 1:23 pm





 

>when was the last time you could talk in your dream-state in any coherent narrative?

The most recent dream I recall, actually, which was only a few days ago. I was in a labyrinth, being pursued by something particularly unpleasant, and asked a local for assistance, which he kindly proffered having realized with some alarm what I was being followed by. My dreams are generally pretty coherent and I'm often lucid.

I don't agree, Ziliath. I'm with Xnerd, Jennifer, etc. on this one, and Common Sense also makes a good point. I think we all have different dream experiences, and a dream with a coherent narrative isn't necessarily less possible than a fragmented one.

posted by sulfurbunny on April 22nd, 2015, 2:28 pm





 

I also agree with everyone else here. Now I may not be a comic maker and what not or even a story writer, but just because the authors here aren't showing what a real dream is supposed to go like as it usually does in real life, doesn't make it any less of an interesting concept that they're using here.

I for one really loved how they ended up going into the dream and talking to darkrai.

And just because the dream sequences doesn't really go one way, it doesn't mean it can't be created in another view ^^

It's all about the imagination, the emotional feelings of the characters when they interact with eachother and what they do in these situations.

That's why we have imagination because stories are born from it and it helps you to be creative ^^

posted by Lady Darkrina on May 5th, 2015, 4:20 pm